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Hey Tanya. Hey Gayano. How's it going? It's going
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okay. Yeah. Yep. The sun is out. We're getting some of these 365 days of sun a
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year that we get. You know, we are. I will I have to say I took my daughters to the bus stop this morning and um I
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was basking in the blue skies and I went to the gym and I feel alive with the newness of living. Lovely.
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Yeah, my winter doldrums are are are leaving me behind to become this. It is lifting. It is lifting now. It's like
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the end of March and it's starting to starting to look like this the the Valencia and the brochures, right? Yes,
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it is. It it definitely is. So, I have some exciting news. We have our first comment from Jessica from Minnesota and
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Oh, brilliant. She wants to know what are the things um that like we miss and
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we um had wish we would have brought. I think it's kind of a thing she's I think
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they're entertaining the idea of moving and it's um wants to know what what we
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what we missed and what we should have brought wish we would have brought. You know, I think that's a big question for
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a lot of people because you want to bring everything you love, right? But we
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have everything here. So, it's really, you know, most everything, not everything, but I mean everything you
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can live here, obviously. That's amazing. Like, billions of people live in other places than their home than the
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home country you're coming from, right? Yeah. So, I think I think the really big question is like
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adjusting and finding new things. And um
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oh, speaking of new things, um I just wanted to bring up apologies. We're new
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at this podcast thing. We don't know what we're doing. We're trying our best. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Um
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my audio last week on the FS2 episode was a little low and not great. So, I'm
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hoping that this is adjusted. My the professional in the team here, um Gitano, is helping me. But, you know,
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just apologies as we as we figure this out with you. I am not an expert. I am a newbie,
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too. And and we are figuring this out. And so everyone knows, we're at different locations. She's at her she's
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at her chalet up in the mountains while I'm in my PA chair in the city when we record these things for the most part.
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Yeah. So, we're, you know, it, let's just be honest, we we are experimenting as we go and we appreciate everybody
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just hanging in there with us. And we love that we got a question so of things that somebody wants to know. And I and I
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think we've all seen and been asked this question a lot. And I asked that question three years ago before I moved.
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I was looking for that. What was the what was what were people saying what to bring and what not to bring and what do
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you miss? And I remember in our moving episode you talked about just coming with you know 12 suitcases full of what
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you needed and you know how did you come to that decision and what do
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you regret not shipping anything? I will say that um that so I don't think
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that I regret I don't regret doing it that way for sure. I think it was the easiest way at the time. And there are
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things though that I just wouldn't have known. I mean you just don't know like I have had the hardest time this is going
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to sound so silly finding good dental floss. So it's literally if somebody comes to
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visit it's like can you bring dental floss and only and it I think this is maybe different I've from the city and
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being outside of the city too. They do not believe in waxed dental floss here. See and I'm just going to chime in with
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you. I don't have this problem because like before we moved for some reason like I had bought all this dental floss
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like on an Amazon order and it was like if you bought one it was going to cost them out but but if you got 50 it was
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like a dollar more and so I just chuck those in the shipment so I have yet to find look for dental floss. I'm I'm good
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to go. Oh, thanks for sharing. Um I can loan you I can not loan you. I will give
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you those. Please do not loan me dental floss. We ain't that close people. We are not that close. We are not that
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close. I will say though, I I just recently I was very excited. I I usually use the ones that have like the
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toothpick and the little bit of dental floss that's on on like the pick. Do you know what I mean? The wand ones that
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Yeah, like the not the wand, but it's like a little U-shape and it has a bit of dental floss between it and you can
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just use it like Anyway, I did recently find like just a roll of wax dental
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floss that you then have to put around your fingers and I was like I'm that's fine. But recently since Amazon started
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getting more, as we talked about before, Amazon is a bit more active now and there's more stuff on it. Um, I have
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found the the dental floss that I like to use on Amazon, but that was it. It is
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still not in the shops anywhere. So, you can again, there's lots of things you can get here by shopping in special
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places and and all this type of thing, but it's a it's a bit of a hunt, you know, um, sometimes. And the dental
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floss just wasn't here as far as I hunted. Mhm. everywhere. I did not find it. Well, I had seen on the message
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boards that all these people were like, you know, deodorant, deodorant, make sure you bring stick deodorant. So, I brought a few sticks with me. And then
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when our first year, you know how that first year, I mean, not for you. You were in COVID, so you didn't have a lot of visitors your first year, but our
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first year all these like bring deodorant, bring eye drops, bring different medicines and things. And then
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you get, you know, you do get used to it after you've been here a while. you learn to live without and you and it's,
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you know, it seems like such a sacrifice when you first arrive and then months
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later it's like, "Oh, this is just my reality." And you're like, "Well, it's fine. I'm now I'm used to the spray and
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the roll on deodorants and I still have all these sticks of deodorant that I'm now not using cuz I've I've now
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transitioned into what they have here." And now I'm like, do I use that? Those are very special deodorants. Yeah, they
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are. Right. Well, maybe you can give them to people coming over. I don't care anymore, right?
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Well, I mean, I do think it's one of those things where we don't actually realize until we move to another country, how connected we are to the
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brands that we use and how how little time it takes to shop because we just know what we get, right? So, you go into
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whatever shop you're in, wherever you're coming from, whether it's England or Australia or America or wherever, and you just get your things, and the time
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that you've spent researching and gathering those things, and you like the smell, you like the whatever. And not just deodorant, like everything, milk,
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everything. I mean, shampoo, all these things. So, when you come over and you're in a new country, it's not like
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most of I mean, you can get everything. I could have got dental floss. It's just not the one that I liked, right? So,
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it's not that things don't exist. It's just you have to put in now again the time to find your favorite things. And
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one of the reasons that we moved to back to Europe was that well back to Europe I
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mean I was in Europe but yeah this area anyway from America was because the the
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skin care the food and all these things in America were not great you know and all the preservatives and the the way
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they're farming meat and things and the the skin care and I mean the skin care in America has not been regulated since
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like 1960. Oh wow. I didn't realize that. They've Yeah, they have like I I don't want to we'll have to double check
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the numbers, but I mean the regulations on skincare in in in Europe, I think, are in the thousands of regulations that
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they have of things that are banned and in America it's like 300 or something. I mean, it's really not like it's a big
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big big difference because they have and it's kind of the opposite for the food, right? Like America put like 20,000 chemicals in foods and I think Europe's
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like in the hundreds too. Like there's only these few chemicals that can go into the food for preservatives and and
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those kinds of things. Yeah. Yeah. So for us it was that was a big thing because you know I had to really dig and
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find and make my own stuff in America for skin care because of the regulations there were not so great. So here and
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that goes back to the deodorant you know I think this the antipersperent aspect of deodorant and I think this is
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something that I know people have had like problems with I think that is banned here. So you can't it's a
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different formula. Yeah, I think it's different. They definitely have anti-depress anti-persperent anti-depressor
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anti-depressant deodorant. They definitely do have anti-persperent deodorant, but I think it's different.
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Maybe I'm sure it has different chemicals. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have to say I'm I don't smell, so I'm good. I
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mean, it's working for me, you know. I mean, I may not I can um confirm that that I've never
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come and see you and been like, "Oh my god, like what's going on here? And I'm sure your girls would tell you if you if
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you were. The only time I do smell, to be honest, is when I was figuring out the laundry situation and hanging my
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clothes out in the hot summer day with too much humidity. And then I'm like, "Oh, they're dry." And the next day I sweat them and all the mildew had
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activated. And I was like, "Who is that horrible smelling person near me?" And then my daughters looked at me and said,
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"Dad, it's you." And I was like, "No, no, no." That was online researching. What do I do? How do you wash your
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clothes in Europe? How do you hang dry clothes? I I don't know these things. Yeah. No, it's you have and that's the thing again. You have to adjust, right?
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So, a lot of not to go back to it, but a lot of products, a lot of brands will have different formulas in America and
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and in Europe. Oh, yeah. And that is they have better formulas here, but it might change the smell and it might
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change and it doesn't necessarily taste better because what you're used to is not here. So, we have Pringles and
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they're not Pringles from home. My my oldest is addicted to Takis and they she's like they're not the same. They're good. But she has found that the there's
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a those Mercod store brand fake Takis the the fakeies she calls them are she
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goes those taste more like American their own better. So now I buy those cuz she doesn't want Yeah. So you do you find these things right and it's and and
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like you were saying like the super we don't have supermarkets like America. I mean I don't know about Madrid. Maybe
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Barcelona has bigger stores. I mean we have caror here which is I mean that's huge and the food section is huge but
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you know you don't get the world at your fingertips here and you and you need to
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find so like in you know in the the the Ralph's grocery store in LA I could find
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all the stuff from all around the world but if I want good feta cheese I have to go to the Bulgarian market so you can
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find it. It just took me a long time to find you time to find it. You're like where eats that? And I happened to what?
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I was on a quest for rose jelly. So I'm addicted to rose jam. I don't know if you've ever had rose jam. Is that
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something from America or something you found? No, it's an it's an Eastern European thing, but I found it in America because where I lived in LA,
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there was a big Russian community and and stuff. So one of the kind of like there was like a more ethnic supermarket
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that carried a lot. You are spoiled in LA cuz you literally have a Japan town,
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Thai town. I mean, you go there and you just shop like you're in that country, I think. I mean, it's very that's special
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to LA, I think. And so, when I was looking, I was like, let me just Google on Google Maps Rose Jam. And one this
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one store showed up on the other side of town. I went over there and I was like, oh my god, they have like seven different fresh fetas like in the water,
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the big blocks, you know, go. And so, I was like, I want some of that and I want some of that. And they had like other
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things and I was like, oh, you just have to know. And I mean, it's funny though, but then you forget where you bought
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some things like things that have longer shelf lives and you don't use. So, I had bought when I first moved here, I had
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bought some, you know, jarred horseradish. It's been gone. I cannot remember for the life of me what store I
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bought that in. And every You're not finding horseseradish here anywhere. So, but I did a year ago. Are you the jar? I
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did find it. So, I'm going to go today. I have to run some errands and I'm maybe Elcourt. Maybe the big I'm thinking
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Elcourt is probably the place for that. I will say like so outside of the city
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there's none of that. There's no hunting for any of that. It's all Spanish and in
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in bigger towns, you know, like so we have Sugunto which is just north of Valencia um like 20 minutes and that's a
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biggerish town and it it has some extra things. But if I wanted to go find
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Indian, if I wanted anything Indian, all these things that you're talking about, you know, specialty feta cheeses and
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things, I have to go into Valencia for it. Like and there is there's a couple big Indian markets here and an Asian
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market. You can find you can find it, but in in our grocery store, the the international section of our grocery
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store is about 3 ft, right? And it was 1 foot when we first moved here. And now
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they've added Mexican stuff. So now we can get like tortillas, like Mexican tortillas, not Spanish tortillas, you
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know, all this type of thing. So it's like it's expanded a little bit and I can find my British Marmite there, which
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is like I mean I mean that's delicious, people. I mean, I'm not trying to don't want to insult people. Don't be rude.
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Between you and me, it's disgusting. Anyway, go ahead. It's a staple. It's a staple. It's disgusting. It's not. It's
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It's really really good. I love it. I understand it's one of those things you have to grow up eating because there is
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no reason for anyone else to find it good. But I also like it's good for a lot of things. And And when I found that
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in the supermarket here, I was like, "Oh my god." Did you get like five? You were like, "I'm going to hoard this." Yeah. I was thinking maybe this is a mistake and
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um you know, and I have to like hoard them, right? Yeah, for sure. When I buy my rose jelly, I bet like three because
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it's going to take me I mean because I'm like it's also on the other side of town and I'm like I how of I don't I'm never
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over there. So I'm like let's just get it. So is it actually rose is it rose jelly or roses jelly? Cuz in England we
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have a brand called rose jelly. No, it's made out of rose jelly and things. Oh lovely. It's so delicious. You put that
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on a little toast. Oh, it's so good. But you know what it's really good with? I'm going to tell you what what I use it for
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is when I do lamb chops or pork loin and I delaze the pan with that and a little balsamic vinegar and make the sauce for
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the Oh, that sounds really good. It's pretty heavy. Are we starting a cooking show? I wait. Yeah, I think we should do
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a cooking show. That'll be Or we have some cooking episodes, right? There you go. But I will. So, to your point, you
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know, you're going to spend half a day if for me if I have to drive into the city and go to a specialty store and come back, that's my whole day. Like so
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it's not that things aren't there but you like you said you have to go to different places and find them and you do have to first find them. So all of
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that is just a fun experience and the things that you find along the way when you're doing that like just be I mean
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it's amazing. I feel like a kid when I first moved here I felt like a kid again because it's this hunt and you're going
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down these windy streets and you're like where am I headed and you see these other shops and you just see how things
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are done here. So I mean I really appreciated that. But it was an adjustment. Like when we first moved
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here, we had to, you know, stock the the the the cabinets in the refrigerator with basics. You know, we arrived here
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on a Sunday. We had Kentucky Fried Chicken the next day. We woke up and went to the grocery store. I'll tell you
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this is I this goes with it that this episode is kind of going all over the place. But anyway, um we went to the
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grocery store to stock up, get, you know, some milk, eggs, butter, butter,
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bottle of water, like get some flour and sugar, you know, just kind of some basics, some spices. We We got all this
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stuff. And they're ringing up, ringing it up, ringing up. And my youngest was with me and she was like tugging my
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shirts cuz, "Dad, we got to go. Let's go. Hurry up. Let's go." And I'm like, "Ploma, back off. We're cool. Like,
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we're loading up the carts. Hurry up. Hurry up." And I get on the strip like, "What was your damage? Like what? Why were you so angry and anxious to get out
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there?" She goes, "Dad, they couldn't have rung everything up. I just I just wanted to get home. I didn't want them to catch us." And I was like, "No,
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that's how much things cost here." Cuz it was literally like a fourth of what it should have been like in LA. What it
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would have been cuz it came to like a hundred. And then I put it all out on the counter and I took a picture and I
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sent it to my friends back in LA and I was like, "How much do you think this costs?" And they're like, I don't know,
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300, 400, 250. I was like, €106. And they're like, don't call me
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anymore. Don't send us these things. We don't want to know. Yeah. And and now I've gotten used to the prices that I'm
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noticing everything going up. So I'm like, if my bill is more than 40 bucks, I'm like, I rate, you know, I'm like,
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right, we're complaining because the prices have gone up, but they still haven't hit what anyone's coming from America because the prices have gone up
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there, obviously. I mean, they're ridiculous. Yeah. And we had, you know, in where we came from, we had like Wegman. I mean, that is like it's like a
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city of a supermarket. I don't know if you've ever been to a Wegman's. They're insane. Beautiful. I mean, it's like
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amazing. And you know, there's nothing there really isn't anything like that. Like you said, even the um like care for
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and stuff that has a little bit of everything. Their supermarket part of the store is still
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pretty consistent with a regular size super. Exactly. Yeah. It's the same stuff. They may have a few items. They
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have more French stuff like you can find more French cheeses there because it's you know it's a French company. Um and
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they have more British but it's not like it's not like and but yeah and more British things but it's not like being in America or even England. We were just
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in England a couple months ago and it was like stock up on stuff we can't get in Spain because it's that kind of like
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international there's just it's just a more you know is it colonialis the colonialism of the past you know there's
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all these cultures there so all this stuff is more readily available. But I will say I I compare the experience to
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shopping here a little bit more like shopping at Trader Joe's where they have curated if you want mustard there's
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maybe three mustards or two mustards to pick from and that's all you need. You don't need an aisle of mustard, right?
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It's not necessary. So I do kind of like it. It's just there's not one of the reasons it's not as big is because there
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aren't as many choices. Well, I agree. I that's the one thing I not one there's many things. It is a thing that I I find
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very refreshing and what I love about living here is the lack of choice, the lack of forced consumerism. Right? You
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don't need 17 brands of trash bags. You're throwing it away anyway. And like here we don't even have a brand of trash
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bags. There's there's the sizes and that's it. And they're like a what a euro 60 for a roll and you go home. And
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yeah, they have like one 10 liter, one 50 liter. Like just which size do you want? you're done. And they have them in
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different colors in case you're going to, you know, sort them that way so you know which trash bin you're throwing. I do appreciate that cuz I can just say
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like put it in the blue one. Pink one. We're the pink one. You're the you're the blue one. And I
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And I It's way easier that way. But it as a tease though, which is super
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annoying, and we were talking about this yesterday, I think, which is we have Little and Aldi here, and they're pretty
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much the same. Um, and it's the same sort of situation, but they will randomly bring in a Trader Joe's brand
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product and I'll get super excited and I'm like, it's something from Trader Joe's and it's like peanuts. I'm like,
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we have peanuts. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Or they it's things like cuz so Aldi owns
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Trader Joe's. They bought it I don't know how many years ago. Not it wasn't that long ago. And so that's what they have it. But it's like they had
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something like Trader Joe's has never carried this item. I don't know. It's like strawberry like ice cream cones. I mean,
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but they were weird and they had like this American flag and I'm like, Trader Joe's doesn't do this. So, they have
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they're branding Trader Joe's items here, but it's but but it's not from home. Don't do that to me. Don't do that
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to me. It's a big big big tease as far as I can. And I but I still get excited
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cuz I did love Trader Joe's and they had more special more specialty sort of different things than the other grocery
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stores where we were living anyway. So, I was like, "Ah, this is going to be something special in Trader Joe's." And no, it's not. I do want some peanut
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butter covered pretzels. I mean, I do want those little pretzel nuggets that are injected with the peanut butter from
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Trader Joe's. I miss those. So, speaking of Marmite, I don't really love peanut butter cuz I didn't grow up in the
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States. So, the all these peanut buttery things just way over just pass me. Like, I'm fine without it. Um, but I will
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appreciate in the same way that you appreciate even though you're rude about it that I love Marmite. I will
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appreciate the fact that you love peanut butter and miss all those things. Well, I don't love peanut butter. I love that. Right. Like I'm not spoon, you know,
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spoon feeding myself peanut butter all day long. I do like peanut butter and we do have peanut butter here. I I have
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heard I have seen people say, "What where's the peanut butter?" It is here. Certain stores have better, you know. Um
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and there is there is an American supermarket if you need your Jiffy. They import stuff and you pay the premium.
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You can find you can find at a very exorbitant price some American products, but usually I found they're not really
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the ones you want. It's like really expensive cereal and really expensive peanut butter, but you can in our
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grocery store friends took me ages to find peanut butter. And this is the other thing. It may well be in the store, but it's not where you think it's
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going to be. Put the motor oil. Yeah, it's Yeah, totally. The peanut butter is is with And I I do love it. It's just
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peanut butter. It's not got anything added. So, if you're looking for the preservative flavored peanut butter thingamajiggy that you might have in
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America, it's just peanut butter here. I mean, it's I can, you know, it's it's a really just a nice peanut butter and
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it's in the section with all the protein bars, which is like, you know, 3 in wide, right? And then it's next to the
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like I I think it's next to alcohol or something. I mean, it's just somewhere that you would They don't organize the
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stores that we're used to. I guess if we grew up here, we would know, but I was defin Yeah. Why is peanut butter here?
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and yet like another spread and then and that brand of store will do all their
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stores the same. But don't go thinking the another brand of stores, right? Like so how consume organizes isn't how
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Marana's, you know, you're like, "Well, I know where the eggs are." No, they're not here. That's not where we keep the eggs. Yeah. So that's another thing is
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like don't get frustrated if you don't find it with the jams because it may still be in the store and you just need to ask. And the people in the store are
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like super nice. They will walk you around the store with and find it for you. And if it's not what you wanted, you'll say that's not it. And they'll
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walk you around the store to another part of the store and say, "Is this what you wanted?" And you just keep doing that until you find what you wanted.
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Right. Exactly. I've done that a few times. And you learn to live without, you know, and the thing is is that, you
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know, when we first moved, there was this long list of things we wanted people to bring. And then I remember my
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my friend Tanya said to me, "Yo, you'll learn to live without." And I was like, "She's very short with me with that Kurt
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comment. That's so rude. It's so rude." And and then but it was true. Then you
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learn to live without and it's and I'm not even say live without. You're assimilating into the new culture. It's what's here and then you don't miss it.
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But now that I've been here going, you know, it'll be two years now. We get these little pangs of things that we
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didn't know we missed cuz it wasn't something that we regularly even had there. And and my daughters brought up
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the other day, they're like we and I don't even know where it came out of nowhere and she was like, I want an Entimman's raspberry Danish. And I was
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like, oh my god, that would be so good. And then I and then I was on like online
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looking like recipe hats. See if you can find it or you're going to try and make it try to make it. I was like that's too many. Yeah. Never mind. No. Plus you
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need whatever flavoring they put in those things is what is making it that way. And I will say I'm not going to
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lie. We took a trip to Madrid and part of our tour was to go via Costco. Okay.
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So I'm not going to lie, like we were excited to do that after living here for like four years I think by the time we
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did that. And it was kind of a treat. So there's nothing wrong with like wanting those things, but it's also really fun
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and exciting to adjust and find new things, I think. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I think there's this that is, you
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know, in Valencia. I mean, a lot of this, you know, there's a lot of, you know, bigger cities where they're going
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to have stuff at your disposal. It's about finding it. And it's okay to miss stuff at home because I mean, we do have
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a Chinatown in Valencia. I mean, people are bringing their stuff. We have tons of Indian restaurants, right? There's many cultures here. So, um, you know,
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you you you explore, right? It's Yeah, I think it's just coming with that. I mean, for sure the the coming with that
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mindset of like, yes, you're going to miss things. Friends can bring them over. You might visit and get them and
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you might find something here that is equivalent and and actually means that you don't worry about that thing anymore. The thing in our household for
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for Zena is is the Goldfish crackers. I mean, that has not died, okay, at all.
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that desire for goldfish crackers. Everyone that comes over, I had a friend that used to send us like boxes of
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Goldfish crackers and then now we go to England and we know some Americans there that get on base and they bought us.
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Have you know those? So like last week you flaunted in my face your balcony on the mascot and now you're flaunting that
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you know bass people that go to like the commissary and the Oh,
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but you know what it it Let me just tease this even more. This this box of goldfish is too big for me to bring back
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here. So now Oh, is it one of those big like like five gallon jug? Not five.
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Those big like that big, right? Yeah, it's a big box and it's just goldfish inside. So it's not full of like little
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packets that you I'll just take a few packets. I mean, we could have packaged some, I suppose, but this has now become a treat that we have in England. So it's
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like at least we don't have to go as far as America for it. But yeah, her desire for goldfish crackers has not died at
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all. And I think for her the the connection to America is is a bit more
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is a bit more than it is for us because we have since you know since we're from this side of the world originally some
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of our comfort things are actually over here right so it's a little different for me as well.
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For me, it's Cheezits, and the American store occasionally has Cheezits because I I like those more. But we I mean, if
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someone gave me goldfish, I I would definitely welcome them in the door, you know. I'm not gonna not going to lie. I
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I haven't had them in two years now, you know. So, yeah. And they are good. Oh my
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god, they are. I mean, they're addictive. So, I mean, that is also good. We don't have a lot of those addictive snacks here, you know? We
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don't have all of that. So, I mean, I'm not sitting on the couch eating a box of goldfish and that, too, you know. I
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mean, so there is that. That's Mhm. But you know, you're not going to also be packing a crate full of food to bring
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over. So probably we're not answering her question. Best, but that is something we missed. What that was
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something we missed. Well, you did cuz you said deodorant and I and and uh dental floss if that's something that's
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important to you. But you can get that here now. So that that has changed and I'm trying to think frankly I would say
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the long initially you'll miss a lot of things, right? it it waines and then
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like you said you get used to because you've put in the time and you found all your new best things you know you don't
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need to you don't need to bring your toothpaste over I mean there is toothpaste here you just might need to
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spend some time and little patience finding one that you like the flavor of again right they won't have crest and I
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do have friends that live in England and whenever they go back to America they bring like a suitcase full of crest and I'm not brand specific like that Colgate
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is good enough for me you know so there you go and I mean I was saying if you're coming over for a year you could probably pack your suitcase with your
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deodorant and your toothpaste and your stuff and never buy it here and then leave and go back. If you're planning on
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living here, you just just come with the mindset of I'm going to find my new
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favorites because you will find something. It'll be so much easier and then within a within some time you'll be back to just shopping and throwing
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things in your cart and you won't be thinking about it and you won't be missing it. And and then and then this this this becomes home, right? So this
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becomes the home. This was where were we? We were Oh, it was last summer. We
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went to Paris and we were la Yeah. We went for the Olympics. You we can do
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those things here, you know. So, and we were coming back and we were
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at the airport getting the train here and my oldest was like kind of just grumpy and tired and and she had said to
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me, "I just want to go back home." And it it hit me in my heart a little bit. I was like, "Oh my god, I'm sorry." I'm
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like, "Oh, you miss LA?" And she goes, "No, Dad. I want to go home." And I was like, "Oh my god, we've reached it where
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this is home. This isn't We don't refer to LA as back home any like we've transitioned to like back home and we
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don't think about the comfort things and all that stuff." What a wonderful moment as a parent because you do worry about
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how your kids are adjusting of obviously and for me personally it's weird because
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when I go to England where my parents are where I grew up I'm like I'm going home and then I go home back to so you
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know it's it can be confusing and if you're leaving America but you still have family there and maybe you still
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have your house or kids or something you know there it is still your home and
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here can also be your home. Exactly. Exactly. Um I will say we know we moved,
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you know, I said that in the first episode that I we had moved stuff here
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and I will say I only miss a few things. We did do a huge purge and now that it's
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been two years, there are certain things that are coming up for me that because my daughters are getting older and there's a handful of books I wish I
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wouldn't have thrown out because finding English books here is not easy. There are some used bookstores. There are some
28:52
English books. There's the selection's very slim. I mean, you can go to Amazon, but you're like, you know, as my
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daughters are getting older, there's certain like, you know, books that are becoming age appropriate for them that I
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read in like say my 20s, you know, some of these like great books. I was like, oh, that would have been great for the marine. Now, mind you, I could have
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brought them and they would have probably just they could just throw them in the corner like I'm not reading this, Dad. What are you thinking? Right?
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So, there's that. But like I brought all my art books, my coffee table books. I brought my artwork. We brought lamps. We
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brought our dishes because I had these dishes I bought for life. And and when I
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would say and my suggestion, I don't know if I brought this up before, but is look at, you know, get your bids on what
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you want to bring and price it out. See what is the square cubic, you know, what is the cubic footage cost, right? Price
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per cubic foot. And don't throw away all your, if you're shipping something, don't throw away all your ladles and
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serving spoons. If that box is filled with $400 worth of serving spoons and it's
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going to cost you 20 to ship it, then you know, and I'm saying because like it's totally worth it. You should do it.
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And like fill up that space is what you're saying. Fill up that space. And there was a lot of stuff that when we got here, I was buying and I was like, I
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had this ladle and I had this I had this spatula. I had six of these. So, I got annoying with that. But it was in the
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early stages and I had friends helping me. They're like, purge, you can get it there. You can get it there. And I wasn't thinking like clearly uh
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monetarily, you know, I was like, "We got to get out of here." I was more stress thinking. So my advice to anyone
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is like really kind of think about it, you know, like we didn't bring furniture. Glad we didn't. Apartments and houses are sized completely
30:30
differently. You're not going to have a hu likely not have a huge sectional sofa here. You're not going to have room for
30:36
a king-siz bed if you live in the city in an apartment, unless you're lucky. And and oh my god, don't get me started
30:42
on beds, though. Um, ladies and gentlemen, Tanya has um an issue with the beds. I don't blame her, but it's an
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ongoing theme in many conversations we've had over the last almost two years. It is. And you can go now. Tell
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them I can have it here and then I can just I can just play it for you when I want to bring it up.
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We'll exert mattresses, people. Mattresses. This is the problem. Mattresses and sheets. So, when I first
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got here, obviously, we didn't have we hadn't bought any furniture like you. So
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I was like, you know, used to, you know, single, double, king, queen, well,
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queen, king, and then cal king or whatever, right? You got sizes. And then when you go shopping for sheets, all the
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sheets are equivalent to that, and it's all very simple and it all works really well. I mean, I don't know about in in
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England, but in the States, there's like four sizes. There's like you don't have a lot of room to make and you're good, right? So, I was like, I'm going to buy
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myself a mattress. And I found a mattress that I loved and I got it in this size that I assumed was like a
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regular size cuz it was one of the sizes on the website that I went to, right, of the sizes that they had. So I was like,
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I'm assuming this is the the right size. This is one of the regular sizes. So got
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the mattress. Love the mattress. You know, everything is great. Can't find I want to swear right now, but I'm not
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sure if we're swearing on our podcast. No, we are still registered as clean on the podcast zone. So Okay, no swearing.
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You swear a lot, but I'm not swearing. Okay, fudge. I got to find a good word. I couldn't find any fudging sheets that
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were the right size for my bed. So, no sheets fit my bed, and I was so irritated. I'd already bought the
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mattress, so what am I going to do? Like, I I should have I should have started with the sheets, I guess. So, I
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just I don't understand why this is sheets are that's a heavy complaint on the message boards about people are very
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I mean, you think people are crazy about their deodorants, they are crazy about what they want in a sheet. Yeah, when I went online to say, "Please, someone
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help me." Because at this point, I had spent weeks trying to find sheets and couldn't find them and this and that. And when I went on to like ask someone
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for advice in the nicest way and people were polite about it, it wasn't like mean cuz I was in on it. They were just
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laughing at me like there's no such thing. Just just live with it. Like we have saggy sheets. We get our sheets
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from America and they sag on our bed cuz they don't fit right. But we have to have our skin touching that. And I understand that. And I I mean I agree. I
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mean there are there are I think about 750 different sizes of mattresses here.
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I might be off like 10. I don't know. But only like five five different sizes of sheets. Well, and not only that, like
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if you go to somewhere like um that Swedish store, I don't know if we can say brand names, you know. I don't want to I don't want to be sued. You know
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that there's a Swedish mentioned them before. You could buy your mattress and your sheets there. Yeah. But they you
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can find a sheet. So they have 20 different sizes of mattresses at that
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store, right? So they they have them, but they don't carry all the sheets in all the sizes. So you can get a mattress
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you're like, you know, find a sheet and oh, they don't make it for that size. And right, so here's my advice. This is
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what I will do next time I buy a bed. I will find the sheets first. I will find a I will find a solid source of sheets
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like the Swedish store or somewhere that that I know will have sheets forever probably. Not some random little cute
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place down the street that might be out of business in 2 years or something. like really a proper place where I can buy sheets. I will then buy a mattress
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and a bed to go with those sheets so that I know I have it right now. You can I have been again, you know, on to
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Amazon and they have more variety and you can probably find you can't feel them there. You can't feel you can't feel it and touch it and you do with
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sheets. I think you kind of that's not I don't think that's the best place to be buying sheets, but you know, you could
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probably do it. But so my advice to anybody, get the sheets first. Figure out where you're getting your sheets from. Get that size. buy the mattress
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because you will be able to buy a mattress in any size you want. That's true. That is true. And and it's crazy.
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I just don't understand it. I really I just And and the sheets are different here. Like they're not you don't have I
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mean softer seems the softer and supple on your skin is more the norm in the
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states and there are a lot harsher on your skin here. Right. I mean I think that's also why everyone just looks so
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young. They are exfoliating when they exfoliating as they say. They exfoliate when they dry their bodies cuz they're
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hang drying their towels and they're just crunchy. So, I mean, that's why everyone's so beautiful and youngl looking. They're constantly just
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shedding layers of skin. So, um you got to dry your you got to you got to um dry
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your towels, right? Again, rub me in rub my face and it's like I peed on your rug and you're just rubbing my nose in it.
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You know, I'm not your dog. So, are you a little jealous of our dryers?
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A little bit. A little bit. Now, if you had a car and you knew how to drive here, you could drive your laundry up
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here and dry it in there like a college kid coming back home. You only visit me for the dryer. But would it be a bit
35:33
different cuz I'd make you cook for us cuz you're a good cook. So, I'll be like, you can come and use our dryer, but you have to cook as And by the way, she's made me do that, too. And I didn't
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even bring laundry. I just brought myself. Totally. Right.
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Hey, you know what? If you're a good cook, you should not be such a good cook. I guess. Thank you.
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It was a really good It was a really good pasta you made. Oh, that's right. I did the liver with that sage and butter
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and liver. Yeah, chicken liver. That was good. It was That was so good. No. Yeah. Maybe I should eat that for dinner
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tonight with my kids and we'll just taunt you. Still haven't figured out anyway.
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Anyway, so I think furniture is weird because when we moved as well, I was looking for I didn't want to buy
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everything new. I was looking for a good secondhand situation and it really does not exist. I mean I we went into one
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secondand store in Valencia and it looked like so when we bought our house
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like they had left some furniture in there which which was nice but it was like 1980s Gothic Germany German sort of
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like really big sort of stuff really our style. Yeah. And even the chandelier
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things in the house were like these really funky this the design was was weird. And then when we went down to the
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to the secondhand store to look for stuff, it was all that stuff. I was like, "No." So, I have found some things
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on Facebook and but Facebook is difficult because there's all these
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stores that post all of their products on there for €1. So, when you put in a
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price, you get also get all this store stuff. Gotcha. Or even zero. They even say it's free and then when you click on
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it, you have to go through their website. I mean, it's so clearly just a just an annoying way of posting something. So, the secondhand market for
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me, um, other than the odd thing that I've been able to get off of, um, Walpop, which is the app for secondhand
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stuff, or Facebook, I think there's one called Vintage, too. That's another one I haven't Vinted is a bit I think. Isn't
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that a bit more like fancy things? But yeah, but Lollipop is like everyone's secondhand stuff like people used to,
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you know, just whatever things and you can see a variety of quality. I think vintage is more like a good quality
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things and but you can buy buy like you know you can get secondhand bikes and all sorts of things on lollipop and
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Facebook too obviously so there's a little bit there but there is no like
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yard sales you know car boot sales wherever you're whatever country you're from or just like and there are no charity shops or thrift stores here no
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charity shops nothing I mean when we went in England a couple like you said a couple months ago walking down the street like every street they're like
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Starbucks there in America there's the charity there's two two to every block it seemed on every high street in London. And I do miss that. I did find a
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really huge thrifty kind of store in the city. And I don't know if you've been to
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it, but that was like I think there's only one, but that one kind of by the the art museum. Yeah, it's it's huge.
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It's like a warehousy type space. It's quite large and it's kind of like a warehouse, but it was full of the type of furniture that was left in the
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furniture wasn't good, but there was artwork. There was, you know, a lot of c old coffee table books, a lot of
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ashtrays and there's that kind of like that thrift store stuff that that's the stuff that excites me that that little
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bowl that you're like, you know what I mean? But I mean for furniture. No, no, not for furniture. But, you know, the
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furniture is so much cheaper here. So there is that like we went down you know to Alphafar and bought all this
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furniture um there and there's tons of furniture stores and I mean we did the
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week after we moved in 103°ree heat and we decided we were
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going to take the train down and a my friend from London came down and said
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we're going to do this and he's been walking. We had just moved here from LA. Wait, you took the train down to buy
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furniture? Mhm. What was what was the plan with once you bought the furniture?
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Well, no, cuz everything we knew everything would have had to be delivered. Like we're buying, you know, like furniture. I mean, we're going to like cuz this place was completely
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unfernished. That's where the IKEA is, but there's all these they call it furniture city, I think, because there's all these furniture stores down there.
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And if you don't have a car, you're walking a lot cuz it is very suburban strip mall. All these furniture stores
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that are down there. Well, each of the stores is a warehouse. Yeah, they're huge. I mean, you're going to you have to walk past that warehouse to the next
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one. 30,000 steps that day in the We were not We were feeling it and and it
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was a beautiful day for it, right? A gorgeous day. And my friend from London who's used to walking and all that
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stuff, he was like, "Buck, you know, buck up." And we're like, "We haven't walked this much in a year, like let
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alone one day." But, you know, like our sofa, we got, you know, they have all the different
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styles here. So, it's not like, "Oh, I love the sofa." You can find all the different styles here. I mean,
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everything's made in a few countries around the world and it's shipped all over the world. So, there is this kind of that you don't have to worry about. I
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wouldn't think about bringing furniture unless it's an heirloom piece that's small enough to fit in any room, right?
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Yeah. I will say though, like basic little things that I wanted just like I just wanted some shelves and some things
40:32
like I found that to be more expensive than I thought it was going to be. And I don't know, I think the wood here is
40:38
more expensive because I think America has quite cheap wood. So they can make a lot of things. They're making houses out
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of wood. So I think some of those basic things are cheaper. So I was a bit
40:48
surprised at that. But I think you're absolutely right. If you want like a dining room table and sofas and things, the prices are very reasonable. Yeah.
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But some of the basics that you think you're going to get cheap or secondhand, it's not happening. So everything is a
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is a is a piece of furniture to get. And then I thought maybe we'll just go build some shelves. And I went to the hardware
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store and I'm like the wood is so expensive. And then I have my time and I'm not very good at it and then I have
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to paint it. I'm like, "Okay, now okay, now these shelves are starting to look really cheap."
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Gotcha. Well, we went down and we got all of our furniture in this, you know, Alphafar, right? That's the name of the
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town, right? So, we got all of our furniture and it was actually delivered really quickly and all that stuff, but I
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I needed a headboard and and I didn't see one down there that I liked. And so in the city I had found one and there
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there was one was gorgeous velvet and they're like we'll sell you the floor model and my friend Jamie from England
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was there for that as well and he's a wheeler deal. He's and he's got more
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hood than I could ever have. He'll ask anyone for a discount. He's like just ask. What does it hurt you? And I'm like I would never ask someone for a
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discount. And then he got like it was the floor bottle. He got me another 20% off cuz he asked for a discount. And
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they're like, "Well, shopping everywhere." I know, right? And so then he I And then he said, "Well, it had to
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be delivered, right?" And and they said, "Well, it'll be €100 for the delivery." I'm like, "I'm buying this headboard for
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hundred." You just got all the discount. I got all the discount. I'm not double paying. And the store was like what,
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five, five, six blocks from our house. Not far. And they're like, "We'll have it. Yeah, you can come pick it up in
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like 3 weeks." Well, they called me two days later. Jamie had already gone home,
42:35
so it's just me and the kids like, "You can come pick it up now." And I was like, "Let's go, kids." And it was another one of these 103 degree days,
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93% humidity, and you have to imagine, here's me and my daughters carrying this
42:48
headboard through the city streets, like pausing like every block cuz we're dying of heat exhaustion. They must have been
42:54
delighted. Oh, they loved me so much. Yes, they were so happy. And then we get
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to our apartment building and it doesn't fit in the elevator. Oh my god. Well,
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that's probably predictable, I would imagine. But you just hadn't thought that far ahead. Hadn't thought that far ahead. So now we have to carry this
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thing up the three flights of stairs. And now, mind you, our audience that if you are not aware of this here, the
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ceilings are usually 12 to 14 feet. So the each flight is very long. Each each
43:24
flight of our stairs is I count them each flight is 21 steps. So, so you wanted the apartment with the beautiful
43:31
high ceilings that comes with a beautifully long staircase. Yes, it does. And not air conditioned. They not
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air conditioned in there. And so we were climbing up and we're all sweat. I think I lost 30 lbs in water weight. And we
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get into the apartment and we all collapsed on the floor and they thankfully we had left the air
43:51
conditioning on and we were like shaking. We were so like dehydrated, heat stroking like what did we do? Did
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it make it in unscathed at least? They thankfully wrapped it in plastic so it was unscathed. That's good. That's good.
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And there was one like we needed TVs and there we were. I'm like I'm cheap when it comes to delivery fees and we were at
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the media market on Cologne which is like eight blocks from our house and there we were at one night cuz we went
44:14
into town to have dinner and I was like let's get a TV and we're carrying this TV this 60in screen TV down the city
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streets. You're such a tourist. I think ugly. Nobody goes. Look at that family. Yeah.
44:29
So, the question is, what did you have to buy your girls after that having made them drag the head? Sushi. Sushi. Yeah.
44:36
They want sushi all the time. And we have a we have a couple favorite sushi places. That is so funny. I mean, it
44:42
seems I mean, we've all been there, right? Where you've decided that this will not be as bad as that as all that.
44:47
And you do it and halfway there you're like, "This was a huge mistake." But we wouldn't have the stories. There
44:55
you go. This would be a very boring podcast. I hope that story didn't bore you to tears, but you know,
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I think I would say to to our listeners when when it comes to it, really think
45:07
about the cost and what stuff means to you, but let go of stuff as well. And
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you know, I had all these heirlooms that and things that I had collected and
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I was like, is it really going to bring me joy carrying this stuff? I'm complaining dusting it and a lot of the
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heirloom stuff like my dad had given me and this is this will be my you know zen
45:30
moment as you you know that the how to how to get rid of things right is that
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it brought my dad all this joy for me to have it when he was alive and I loved the joy it brought him knowing I had it
45:46
but he passed away and I moved across the world and it would have not brought me joy having it like my time with it
45:53
was done. Yeah. And you know some of the stuff I sold and that made me happy
45:58
because I know that was bringing someone else joy, right? I was like letting the joy someone else can love it. Yeah. And someone else can love it. And I had this
46:05
kind of mantra too. It's like I can't change my life surrounded by the same stuff. I can't change who I am. I can't
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change the way thing. I'm changing countries but if my house looks exactly the same as it did before, then I'm not
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I'm not growing and I'm 50. I want to grow. I want I've had my time with all this stuff as well. Right. But yeah, and
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you also had that like you you put it very well with your dad like your everything relating to that and your dad
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has has come a full circle and and happened, right? So now it's really about whether you want it in your life.
46:35
Exactly. Yeah. And I think that's that's a good way of looking at especially the furniture, you know, before you get into
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bringing everything, you know, not everything. Maybe you maybe you would enjoy a new dining room table or you
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know if you're you know gonna sell some things you have more money you have more money to buy things here you can sell
46:55
things there use that money here to buy things and and the same goes for all the little things that you think you're going to miss you might miss them but
47:02
that's also okay it's okay that you have things that you love in your your other country and things that you love here
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but it's really fun to explore and part of moving to a new country has to be
47:12
exploring and finding new things because that's the joy of moving to a new country. And if you don't do that,
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you're not getting the full experience. If you literally just want to move all your stuff there to here and you want the same of everything, you're not
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getting the full experience, I don't think. And you're and you're bringing your old clutter, right? Like that was when we first moved into this place and
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we had the mattress on the floor. Oh my god, I relished. I want to go back to that day when we were completely clutter-free. Like my head was clear. I
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felt alive, you know? And now it's like refreshing, isn't it?
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It is refreshing and and and I looked at that stuff and and this is the thing too.
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Um when even like the food, right? Mhm.
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I ate Fruity Pebbles for 50 years of my life. I don't need to eat them for the
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next 50. Right. There is this like you have to make room that comfort. There's new comfort coming your way. It's that
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it's got you that letting go to let in. Right. Yeah. There is new comfort coming your way. I think that's a good way of
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putting it for sure. Yeah, I love that. I think we're going to start a Zen podcast next. We've got so many. We
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might be lifestyle influencers now. That was so deep and heavy. Oh my gosh, it's exhausting. We should do that as a
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t-shirt. Let go, let in or something, you know. Oh my goodness. Maybe on that
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note, we should go stop him, please. I think we need to end this before this starts going worse. I think so. But I
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would like to say more comments and questions, please, cuz we love topics to talk about. Mhm. Yeah. If you have
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something that you, you know, just can't figure out or you're just really curious because you haven't moved here yet or
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maybe you're here and you are having a problem with something, just let us know and if we have any insight, we will give
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it to you. We'll fake it. We'll fake it. Yeah, we'll totally fake it.
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No, but we are here to advice. I mean, that is where we I I want to say we're here to pay it forward because so many
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people give me advice before we got here and it was such a search to to find like I was on different groups and you know
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that's how we met and all of that that you know I want to make sure other people land comfortably. Yeah. And it's
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mind-blowing when you're trying to think about all this stuff from somewhere else. I think it's very overwhelming because you're also trying to move and
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you're trying to maybe get visas sorted and it's so much. It is so much and it's three months of it like you only have so
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much time to actually do your visa and then it'll expire and all that. So it's it is a really crazy moment. I would say
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the advice is if you're going to sell stuff and your plan is to move two years from now, put it on eBay today because
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yeah, start doing it because those people, you know, you may have stuff that's worth a lot, but it's only worth
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a lot when there's someone who wants to buy it. And that that that audience member might not be there in that three months you're trying to sell it. So
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start getting rid of stuff and also start learning Spanish. Mhm. Because that's something that you can never get
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enough of. And the more you know when you land, the better the experience will be for sure. For sure. I think so. If
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you have enough, even if you have enough Spanish to order food and talk to someone in a supermarket and ask for
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things, it will be much smoother. You don't need to be fluent. I mean, that'll come maybe one day. I don't know. But
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not for me yet. But no, I don't know. It takes longer than you think. I I can read like crazy now. Like I know what
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sentences. I can even read a newspaper article and not give you all the details, but I can let you know that without a picture if it's about the rain
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or some politic thing going on, you know. Yeah. But I mean, I think you've noticed as well once you get to a
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certain very low level of just being able to communicate and ask for things and understand the answers, you know,
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basically it helps a lot in your comfort as well. So, speaking of, you know, creature comfort things, I think that's
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something you can do for yourself as well. For sure. Definitely. And and and I will say more than do a lingo, find
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something that's going to teach you more, you know, conversational phrases. It's I think that's more important than
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the vocabulary, right? Kind of like knowing what the words mean. Um because now I can I understand more what people
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are speaking. My speaking is still horrible, but what people are saying to me, I know what they're asking of me. I
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can, you know, it's like that Latin root words. If you know some of that kind of stuff, you're like, "Oh, I understand what they're saying." Yeah. And it's in
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context, you know? So this isn't complicated. It's like if you're in the grocery store asking for something and
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you know you know where they're going to point to you and make a left and it's on aisle this number and this type of thing
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that you can understand that will be super super so much better for you to
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manage I think. So the moral of the story is leave your furniture home and bring a new language with you. Yes.
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