
We are Tania and Gaetano, two expats who moved our families to Spain for new adventures. We both moved here from the US, Tania (originally from the UK) in 2020, with her husband and daughter from Northern Virginia, and Gaetano in 2023 with his two daughters from Los Angeles. We all met in Valencia and got along incredibly well, but while we cracked each other up discussing our fun times adjusting to Spain, there were quite a few eye-rolls from our girls (tweens and teenagers anyone!). In an effort to give our daughters a little break we thought what the heck, let’s share our experiences with unsuspecting strangers instead. This podcast came to life and we hope you enjoy the pitfalls and joys of our experiences - we all have!
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Welcome to Aspain Poco Poco. Hi Gano.
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How's it going? Buenos diaz.
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Buenos das Tanya. It is bueno. It is
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very exciting because today is October
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9th.
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Yes. And we are going to tell you
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everything that we knew and also found
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out about the this very very spectacular
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holiday here in Valencia.
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Exactly. I will give a personal
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experience when we came to visit the
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year before we moved here
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was October 9th that that was that
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weekend but we weren't here the actual
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October 9th day but we were we left
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October 8th but a couple days before we
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were noticing like like festivities
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going on and I was like are we in
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Disneyland we saw all this traditional
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dress and it wasn't until a year later
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I'm living here and I'm like oh
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that's what's going on
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and I still didn't know what it meant
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cuz I was still new
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It's a lot. And I will say, I mean,
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we've talked about this a lot and it is
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true. I mean, the Spanish will celebrate
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everything and they do it with grandeur.
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So, it's not unusual to see flags and
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festivals and and fireworks and things
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happening, but there is something
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special about this holiday in Valencia
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because you will start to see a lot of
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flags little being put up between
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buildings all the way down the street.
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And I think that is maybe a special
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thing for this particular holiday. It is
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very and they like you said they start
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it like they start putting this stuff up
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like a week ahead. It is not something
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you can pull together in like five
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minutes. So you have to start early. So
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now you're walking down the streets for
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the last week and or driving down the
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streets you'll start to see the
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Valencian flags. I don't know what they
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call those ones like bunting between the
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between the buildings where you got a
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string with all the flags falling off of
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it.
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It's not bunting but there is a word for
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them for sure. I mean, it's a bunting
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type thing anyway if it's not where you
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got all the you got a string and it's
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going from building to building with
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lots of little flags hanging on it and
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that's just back and forth the whole way
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down streets and it's very it's very
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pretty. So, we can just talk about
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there's another holiday.
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Yeah, there's Yeah, there's another
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holiday too, right? Because it's not
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only just the independ
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day, it's also the day of lovers. So, as
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you're seeing all these flags being put
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up, you walk by all the pastry shops and
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there's these little marzipan treats
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like everywhere.
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Yes. If you love marzipan, this is your
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holiday. Make it to Spain. Make it to
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Valencia on October 9th. We will get
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into all of this. So, let's start with
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should we start with the with the with
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the Valencian day and then we'll move on
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to the other holiday, I guess.
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So, yeah, I think we should start with
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why it exists. So you may have heard
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from us before or may have known from
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your own history lessons that Spain was
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uh under Moish rule, Muslim rule for
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like 500 years. But in the 1200s, King
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James as we will call him, but it is how
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in in Spanish, right? How is that?
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How? Yeah.
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J A U M E. You will see that a lot in
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different places. That that's King
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James. Every street that's not named
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Waqin is named Al.
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I've seen kiosks with that name. I've
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seen all sorts of things. Yeah.
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Everything rightly so.
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Mhm. And so the Muslims had ruled for
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500 years and he came and he conquered
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um or reconquered Valencia. Um but
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what's interesting about him is not rare
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this has happened, but he became king at
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10 years old. Now, mind you, he wasn't
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pillaging and plundering at 10, but he
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was
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he might have been. Who knows?
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Who knows?
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In the name of In the name of, right?
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Yes. So, he came they they they came
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from the north and there was the battle
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of El Pooch in 1237, which is a very
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little town just north of Valencia city.
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And they had had the victory there. And
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then they were basically preparing to,
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you know, enter and conquer and get a
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hold of Valencia city.
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And he has always wanted Valencia. I
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guess that was kind of the history too.
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That was one of his his goals in
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retaking. He had his sights on that to
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get it away from other other crowns of
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the area trying to come forward as well.
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I think it was a very big city back
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then. So it was a a very major take if
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you could get Valencia obviously. So it
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was a
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I had the silk, they had the trading,
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they had all the stuff going on.
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I mean, not that it's not a major city
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now. It is. We love it. But back then it
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was definitely a a clear victory if you
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had Valencia for sure.
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Right. And
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this was the goal. And while that they
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were camped outside the city trying to
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to take it, the legend is that a bat
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flew into the tent and got got messled
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up in all their weapons and drums and
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things and caused a commotion and woke
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them up and a guard alerted them that a
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a surprise Muslim attack was going to
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happen. So it it it became an a good
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omen or whatever and and since you since
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has become a symbol of the city later
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another had
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named bats everywhere for everything and
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that is why we will get into that in
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another pock so we will leave that one
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there as a teaser but you will see bats
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everywhere put a pin in that bat
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to be continued
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to be continued so in 1238 after um
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monthsl long you know blockade involving
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multinational Christian army armies and
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they also had a fleet of ships from
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Barcelona coming down and getting it
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from the from the Mediterranean side.
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They managed to conquer, I guess, is the
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word. Valencia.
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Well, I think I they conquered, but I
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think it was more of they they starved
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them out, right? So, it wasn't like they
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were they didn't do it with weapons. It
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was they denied them access to food and
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services or whatever, you know, whatever
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you need. nothing could get into the
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city. So once their supplies ran out,
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so a surrender with that's a conquering
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I guess of sorts. So the Moors in
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Valencia therefore surrendered on
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September 28th 1238 and that was what
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created a situation where King Haime
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would be able to then come in which
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happened later.
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But what's really interesting about the
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surrender too is that they gave them
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time to leave the city. It wasn't like
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they were expelled and I mean and they
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were but they had time to collect their
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belongings. It wasn't like they were
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instant I don't know if refugees or lost
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all their belongings. It was it was very
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peaceful.
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Well, I mean you say that now. Who
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knows? I mean I doubt it was peaceful. I
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mean okay. I doubt it was pretty. Let's
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just say but that is what happened.
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No one was happy about it for sure.
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Okay. Yeah. I'm like let's not call it
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peaceful because we weren't there. will
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say that there was a time period between
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the surrender and the entrance into the
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into the city by James I. And that
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triumphal entry happened on October 9th,
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1238. So there was a little bit of time
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in between. Absolutely. And that was
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therefore that became the day that is
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considered the birth of the kingdom of
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Valencia and Valencia as we know it
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today as a as a Christian Spanish part
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of Spain, I guess.
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And they've been celebrating it uh since
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1338 after the 100th anniversary. So
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that's when it became the holiday,
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right?
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And it is a symbol, this holiday is a
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symbol of freedom and coexistence and
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definitely Valencian pride.
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Absolutely. And therefore that explains
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the all the flags that are put up and
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those symbols and I think that a little
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bit about the Valencian flag. I suppose
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the most of the region I mean not most
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all of the regions in Spain have their
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own flag and they all have the kind of
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like similar color schemes and things
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that I've noticed right and they're kind
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of derivative of this of the main
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Spanish flag
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but the saraa which is the Valencian
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flag um has red and yellow stripes and
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then at the one side there's a blue
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fringe with a crown which represents the
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royal gratitude
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and the crown wasn't added until the
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14th century by King Peter I 4th of
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Aragon.
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who granted the city the the city of
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Valencia the privilege to use the royal
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crown. So I guess you know that was
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that's nice
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that made them feel special.
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Sure. And it is a pretty flag and like
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you said it does look like a little bit
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like the Spanish flag. It's not a
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complete departure and it's and it's
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pretty and it's everywhere. It is
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definitely and especially on this day it
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is the decoration of choice for pretty
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much everything. Right. And
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and if I can do a selfless plug if I
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may. If anyone has noticed, the Ospain
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logo represents these colors as well. So
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that's true. Yes.
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Not an accident.
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Not an accident.
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Well, why don't you go since since
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you're married, why don't you tell us
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about the day of the lovers because this
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is a barren holiday for me.
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Okay. So, I can almost guarantee that I
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will not be getting any Marsy Pan from
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for this holiday because I'm pretty sure
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that Jawad does not know about this
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holiday. So, he will be expected the
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following year to be really on top of it
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in 2026.
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Well, we are recording this early in the
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morning, so maybe I can text him a
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little
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reminder. Sometimes you need friends to
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remind your husbands and wives of
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things. Okay, just keep that in mind,
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everybody. Anyway, so it is the lover's
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day. Um, St. Dionis, Dionis, Dianicius
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has talis.
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Yeah,
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Dionis is the patron saint of lovers and
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is celebrated interestingly only in
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Valencia. This is not a span a Spainwide
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holiday and it is a public holiday since
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1982
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and it is celebrated in only the
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provinces like I said which is Valencia,
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Castellon and Alicante and obviously as
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we said before it overlaps beautifully
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with October night. So, we get this
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double holiday on this day and it is
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just festivals and we'll get into that
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later, but you can talk a little bit
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about the gifts and things that were
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given that are given. If you're lucky
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enough to have someone give you
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something, this is what you get.
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I mean, I know about the tradition, but
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I I well, I wouldn't receive them anyway
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because it's for the females, right?
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It's for But, you know, as the as the
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homosexual community, I wonder if we're
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we're giving them to each other. I don't
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know.
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I think so. And I don't know if this is
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a family thing too like Valentine's Day
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where maybe some of these things are
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just given cuz I mean these
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like you give them to your kids or your
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mother
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maybe because these sweets are
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everywhere. I mean the center of the
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aisle in the grocery store is now all
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masipan. They just put up little extra
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tables to to cover all the masipan
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that's going to get sold. This cannot
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only be for people giving. It must just
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be hey that here's a here's one for the
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table. Here's one for your house. Here's
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one for grandma. Here's one for your
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kid. Like it has to be given to
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everybody at this point, I think.
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Right. Right. But how it's presented to
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your lover, you know, is supposed to be
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the men are supposed to wrap them in a
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silk scarf. The marzipan and the silk
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scarf. So it's two gifts in one. You get
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a lovely scarf to last forever and and
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the marzipan to last a moment. Right.
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Which is lovely. No, I think it's really
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I love masipans. So I know it's also not
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for everybody but you will find them in
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all different shapes like fruits and
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they make just little squares and it's
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not always just marzipan sometimes
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and like vegetables too candy shaped
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like a bell pepper you're like okay
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I think everything and it's supposed to
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symbolize the I think just general um
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abundance I think with the fruit and
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vegetables and they they do marzipan in
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the fruit and vegetables but they also
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do these they're like little mini cakes
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I think or something that have so it's
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not like marzy pan but it's marzipan in
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the middle and it's sort of little
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squares
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but they kind of look to me those little
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cakes those like those things that
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represent like fertility those is that
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what you're talking about I'm talking
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about things but they have the big ones
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but I think the smaller ones are
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versions of the big ones you're talking
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about
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explain those
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and it kind of looks like hollow bread
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on the outside to me
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yeah so it's kind of bready it's
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basically a cooked version of marzipan
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in some ways so I think they've mixed it
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with flour and And then the very very
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middle is a bit masy panny, but the
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outside is a bit more
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cakey bready and it's cooked. And then
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you have the pure mazy pan that is the
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fruits and vegetables. And those come in
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beautiful little, you know, see-through
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packaging where you can see them all.
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And it's super super cute. Yeah.
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You know what's also really interesting
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because this brings it back to the
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October 9th how all these two these two
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holidays have been intertwined since the
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get-go is that the reason why this
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tradition started is because in 1733 the
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Bourbons were had taken over were ruling
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Valencia at that time and they were
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celebrating the 500th anniversary and
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the Bourbons outlawed fireworks and what
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they now did with this this the treats
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and the silk scarf is that You tie them
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to look like firecrackers. So it's so so
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a baker like did it out of protest that
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said, "You know what? We're now you
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won't give us our fireworks. We're going
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to give our lovers things that look like
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fireworks."
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There you go. If anyone knows anything
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about the Spanish, especially this part
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of Spain, you don't take away their
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fireworks.
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No, you don't.
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And I don't think that lasted very long
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because now we have both. We have the
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fireworkshaped marzipan and the
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fireworks and the mascetas and the
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firecrackers. So, you know, they come
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back and forth,
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right? I mean, it's kind of funny. It's
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so It's so Spanish, right? Like they
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protested through passion, right?
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There you go.
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We're just going to make love and show
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our lovers that we love them.
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Yes. I love that. So, as far So, that is
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kind of the the sort of the history of
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those two holidays. Should we look at
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the celebrations and how that comes
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together for a day? So we know the
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meaning which doesn't really relevant
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isn't relevant to how we celebrate. So I
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will say I it's going to be a huge shock
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that there are fireworks. Yes. For this
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event. So it starts the night before on
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October 8th at 11:59. You know they you
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know midnight basically.
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But they have a 20inut firework display
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uh on the Montloveete Bridge which spans
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the park. So it's really quite beautiful
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because you can see it up and down a big
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expanse of the tia like you can really
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see it and and be a you know a mile away
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you're still
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right
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you have you can bear witness
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oh we can miles we can see it from up
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here so yeah that's
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miles and miles but that is technically
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October 9th because it's happening at
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the very last minute of October 8th and
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it's probably running late so it's
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that's also is for sure happening on
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October 9th just very very They never I
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will be I will say they never run late.
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Really?
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Yeah. I have yet to see a fireworks
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start late. Like they have the they give
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you a 10-minute warning bomb and then a
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fiveminute warning bomb and then and
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then it's off.
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It's like gorge your loins kids. It's
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starting.
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And then you have the processions which
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is just there's always a procession and
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they have the u the procession of the
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senera which is the flag and they have
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the moors and the Christian parades and
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this is where people dress up as both
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and I you've been to one of these
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parades I haven't. Yes, I've been with
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the the senara parade is where they take
15:31
it down from city hall and they bring it
15:34
down versus carrying it through the city
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hall. They actually bring it down from
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the balcony if that makes sense. And
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they parade it through the streets. And
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I've been to that parade and it's it's
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horses and traditional dress and and and
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so as well. It's not like a party
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parade, right? It's music and marching
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and stuff. And then what we did is then
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we followed the parade into the town
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square for the 2 pm masceta which was
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Oh, that's nice. Yeah. And is the moors
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and the Christian parade part of that
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parade or is that a separate parade?
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Well, I'll put it this way. I don't know
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because if it was part of that parade,
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we didn't see that part.
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Okay. But you said you you saw people
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dressed up, I guess. Cuz I've I've heard
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that they're I've heard and I don't know
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if this is true that that parade of the
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Moors and the Christians, they're kind
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of parading but also kind of simulating
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some of the maybe some of the fighting
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or some of the things sort of as the
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parade is going.
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Someone had mentioned to me that I think
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it is a different thing and they
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mentioned it is it's not a battle. It's
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like they sweep them out of town. Right.
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There you go.
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Yeah. And then there's floral offerings
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which is quite common. They we also have
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that in the fias if you've listened to
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our fias episode. Uh you'll you will
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have you'll know about the floral
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offerings and love of flowers that they
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have here for different things. And then
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right and they and that flag is paraded
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around this to the like it parades
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around the city and stops by the statue
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of King James and I think that's where
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they do a flowering. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And then obviously lots of traditional
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dress and everything. And then one of
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the things that I've experienced and it
17:05
varies from place to place is they
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always do have the medieval markets
17:09
going. They have one in the touria that
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I've been to a couple of times. I will
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say that one was less of a medieval
17:17
market. If I'm I if you've been to the
17:19
Renaissance fair in America, this
17:22
doesn't really compare to that.
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Does not at all. Um, I will say we we we
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were suspect of the authenticity when my
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youngest said, "Dad,
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was Ryan Reynolds around during the
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Middle Ages? Because why is there a
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painting of him here?"
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So, yes.
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Well,
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you might be right.
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Yeah, that's a good point. I will say
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it's fun. Like, we've been there. It's
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fun. They in the one in the city that
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we've been to twice has been exactly the
17:53
same. There's a lot of kiosks for food,
17:55
so you can go and sort of have lunch.
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And then they have lo loads of kiosks
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where you can buy cheese and bread and
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sweets and jewelry and some things. And
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those kiosks are the same kiosks that I
18:07
found in a load of other
18:10
festival sort of market things. It's the
18:13
same people selling the same things.
18:14
This one, they just have a few banners
18:15
that look a bit different. We went to a
18:18
medieval market in Castile and I will
18:20
say that was a lot more medieval. It was
18:23
fun. They had in the town square there,
18:25
they had a whole bunch of
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um sort of oldfashioned games set up
18:30
that the kids could play which was
18:32
really really fun. So they had a whole
18:34
area for that. They did have a little
18:36
procession that was going on and sort of
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continued to sort of go on around the
18:40
market. And that procession had all
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sorts of people dressed in different
18:44
things including people on stilts and
18:46
things that were more kind of fun, but
18:48
also people dressed medievally in
18:51
medieval gear. And that one was a lot
18:54
more had a lot more kind of
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oomph to it as far as it being a
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medieval market versus just a market.
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So, I would recommend heading up there
19:03
if anyone has a car and they can do it
19:05
because that that was fun.
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Was that during Was that during the
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October link then as well?
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Yeah, it was because I think they're
19:10
going on everywhere. So, some of them
19:12
are going to be better and different
19:14
than others, but the one in the city was
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very fun. We went we went with friends.
19:18
We had lunch. We browsed around. It was
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very fun. It just wasn't
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I've been to the I've been to a
19:23
Renaissance fair in America and that's a
19:27
whole experience and That's a cult.
19:30
That's a whole the people that are
19:32
involved in that, that's their life,
19:34
right? But that creates an environment
19:36
where you have some people that it's
19:37
their life and they're in it and other
19:39
people coming to look and it's fun kind
19:42
of for both and you kind of really get
19:44
into that and I would say it's nothing
19:46
like that really. It's much more it's a
19:48
bit more fun and little bit little
19:52
anyway. But definitely worth checking
19:53
out if you especially if you just happen
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to be around
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I would say
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I think so. And I think that wraps up
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October 9th. So, if you're here, we hope
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we've you've we've filled you in on some
20:02
things to do.
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Yeah. With a mix of history, pride, and
20:05
even a little romance on October 9th. We
20:08
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