
We are Tania and Gaetano, two expats who moved our families to Spain for new adventures. We both moved here from the US, Tania (originally from the UK) in 2020, with her husband and daughter from Northern Virginia, and Gaetano in 2023 with his two daughters from Los Angeles. We all met in Valencia and got along incredibly well, but while we cracked each other up discussing our fun times adjusting to Spain, there were quite a few eye-rolls from our girls (tweens and teenagers anyone!). In an effort to give our daughters a little break we thought what the heck, let’s share our experiences with unsuspecting strangers instead. This podcast came to life and we hope you enjoy the pitfalls and joys of our experiences - we all have!
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Welcome to RP Spain Poco Poco. Hello
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Tanya. Today we're going to talk about
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paella. Pa. I'm so excited.
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You love paella.
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A good paella. A good paella. A very
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good paella. You know, you know what? I
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ain't going to lie. I love rice. I'll
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take a bad paella. I haven't had a I
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haven't had a bad paella. How about
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that? Um I've had amazing and I've had
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I'll eat it.
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I will say I've had ones I wish I hadn't
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ordered, but we'll get to that later
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because it's a certain type of paella
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that I think anyway, it's in my opinion.
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We'll get to that as we go down. So,
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let's start. Let's jump in. So, paella
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did start in Valencia. So across the
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world they think of it as a Spanish dish
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and it is a national dish of Spain but
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it is a very valencian pride um issue
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because it it did start in Valencia and
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they and they say it traces back to the
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14th 15th century um just south of
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Valencia city um is Albufera which is
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this big lagoon which is where the rice
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is grown. It's like a bomba rice a more
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round not like a long jasmine rice is
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what they use. Yeah. So, I'm sure the
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rice is also now grown in lots of
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different places, but that is probably
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one of the reasons why it was started
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here was because rice was introduced as
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a farming product here in the Valencia
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community, by the way, because we have
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Valencia city and Valencia community.
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And the paella is from the Valencian
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community, not just from the city. And
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as you just said, the Albufua is just
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south of the city anyway. So, yeah.
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Yeah, let's point that out. And just so
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people don't know, side note, Valencia
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is like New York, New York. So there's
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Valencia the state and Valencia the city
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and um and just so you know Yes. And the
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the paella is cooked on it. It it so
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paella or pa means frying pan in
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Valenciano. So that is where the name
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comes from. It is the type of pan also
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that the um excuse me that the that it's
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cooked with is called a pyro is the
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place it's cooked and then you have the
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pya which is the pan. Have I got this
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right? Because now there's a lot of you
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keep saying the L's and it's pa not pala
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not pala p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p p
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p p p p per. Pera. No, no, just pira.
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Well, there are two L's. Yeah, like
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paella is two L's. Pa. Yeah. And so
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paella. Yes.
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And you got a little Spanish lesson,
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too. There you go. So pa is the frying
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pan. Oh my god. Now I can't say it at
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all. I think we're gonna jump right into
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the different types of paella that we
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have which are so there's two different
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types of pa which you have but that are
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the actual ones and then you have a
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third which is also kind of on the menu
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but anything else is an aralo. So you'll
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have a menu in a restaurant that'll have
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a lot of things that look like they
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should be pers but they're not because
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they're not the two traditional ones,
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right? They're not they're not cooked
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the same way. Like it it it varies from
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the norm. And one of them is the
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Valenciano, which is your land animal
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paella, which is rice, rabbit, your long
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flat beans, your limema beans. Um, and
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originally back in the olden timey days
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they used waterfall which was rats
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maybe. So they say we can't we don't
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have any proof of this. It's just it's
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just a rumor but I mean that would make
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sense. I mean you're the the paella in
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general is a um a dish that is a
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leftovers dish. It's something that was
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you know primarily something that was
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quick and easy and and cheap to make.
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Right. Every culture has that type of
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dish. That is what the pier is, right? I
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mean, it's peasant food, right? This is
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what what's available, what you can what
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you can gather and and make. Um, and
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then the second one is the misco. So
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that's the fish one. So that we have
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shellfish, muscles, clams, shrimp,
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langustine, calamari, fish, and it can
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be sort of any mixture of that I think
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in different places. And speaking of
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like every single town may have its own
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type of um traditional pay. will vary
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from town to town depending on what that
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town sort of had access to. And then it
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it grew into a tradition in that town
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for those things. So it will be
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different what you get sort of in the
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southern part of Valencia to the
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northern and different even from one
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town to the next that are next to each
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other. So it's quite interesting really.
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Um and and a lot of them like in the
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Valenciano they'll have chicken in it.
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They'll have snails. I know you haven't
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seen the snails yet, but I have seen it
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many times and I love snails so I'm very
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happy. I'm very glad I haven't seen
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snails on a pie yet because um not my
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favorite although they're easy to pick
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off I guess. So I would I would be okay
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with that. Yeah, that's that's fine.
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Yeah. And and then there's the mixed up
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which is the mixture of all of them. So
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that's fish and land. So that's fish and
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meat. So that's together. And the
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Valenciano would be made with a chicken
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stock and the Miscoco would be made with
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a fish stock. So the mixer I don't know
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if they're using both, but it's it's
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it's a mix of all of it together. Um,
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and that would be sort of the end of
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your you might find somewhere a list of
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paas with a lot of different names, but
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those are your three main ones. And then
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everything else technically will come
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under a different portion of the menu
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that would be called an aroth rice. And
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they are sort of basically the same
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thing. They could be cooked in a pa pan.
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They look like a pa, but they're not the
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traditional ones. So they're just called
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an aroth, right? And some of those are
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cooked in the ovens, not necessarily on
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the open flame because that is the
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thing. What also makes paella paella is
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how it is cooked on on the pierro. On
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the piero.
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Let me let me get my Spanish back. On
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the piero, which is Yeah. Very good. You
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got the double L, right? And so they
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have um and that's like on an open flame
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and traditionally it's wood. And if you
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many homes will have these brick um uh
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grilling things in their in their
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backyards to to make the paella and you
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know it the smoke and the flavor and
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that in um infuses the flavor. The smoke
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is what you want in the paella that
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taste as well. And we both I think agree
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that the the the sukra coat how do you
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pronounce that? The um so the sakarat
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sakarat sakarat you got to roll that
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off. So that's a sakarat sakarat. That
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is the delicious layer that I love that
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makes pa what pa is for me which is that
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crispy crispy rice that comes like on
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the bottom on the edges crust. It's so
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good. That is so good. And I think so we
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have arroths that are also made with the
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on with the pa pan and made in the way
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that pa is and then you have arroth
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alorno which we don't know 100. I mean
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it's made in the oven that's orno. So,
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it's it's made in the oven instead of on
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a flame. But I also think sometimes when
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you see that on a menu, especially in a
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restaurant, that they're making it maybe
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in a big pot as well because they're
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doing like a they're doing like a three
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course menu with pa and they just need a
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bunch of pa. So, it's it has all the
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same flavors and it has the pa sort of
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feeling, but you never get I've never
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received like a plate with any of that
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crispy pot on it, which is why I'm
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questioning whether it's really made in
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a pa pan. And I think maybe not, but we
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don't know. Um, but that is what that
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is. If you see aroth alo, it's just made
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in the oven instead. And paella is a
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lunchtime meal. I mean, you can go to
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restaurants and for the tourists and get
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it in the evening, but it is a lunch
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meal. It is a gathering meal. And, you
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know, harp on our token on our old an
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older episode about food that lunch is
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the biggest meal of the day here. And
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so, it makes sense you'd have this huge
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rice to burn off the rest of the day and
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then the evening you have a lighter
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meal. Um, and it is it is a very
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communal thing. I mean, they have
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festivals throughout the cities and the
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towns and people are showing off their
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their culinary skills. They'll do
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competitions. We have a we have a
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competition up here in our community in
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the summer where they do it. But that
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happens in the evening because it's so
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hot during the day that they do it in
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the they do it at night. Like you're
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literally eating pa at like midnight at
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that point because you have to wait for
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the sun to go down and for it to cool
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off. And then we also have a restaurant
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up here that speaking of festivals,
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they'll they'll do those gigantic I
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don't know if you've been to a festival
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where they've been cooking on one of
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those gigantic seen. It's amazing. Yeah,
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it's like a swimming pool. And I I did
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post a video on our social media of this
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and it's really cool to see cuz it's
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it's enormous and impressive to see
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someone cooking a pa of that size. Can't
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imagine because I haven't really managed
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to be able to cook a proper pio in a
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small size. So I can't imagine doing
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that. Um, and what's amazing here in the
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city when they have these big paya like
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cookoffs and festivals and stuff, we
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right below our apartment during FAS,
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they have one and the city drops off all
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the all the wood for the people to use
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and so they're it's all this and our
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apartment you open the doors and you
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just smell all this paella cooking and
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that's happening also in the evening. So
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they're breaking their old rule because
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they're all getting drunk and they have
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to eat it to soop up their their
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alcohol. But if you do ask, if you do
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ask and you go to a traditional
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restaurant, it might be that you have to
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have it for lunch. And they will want
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you to order your pa ahead of time, like
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the day before at least, so that they
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can have a plan and cook for it and know
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how many they're cooking. So, it is
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something you also have to book. And if
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you go into a restaurant, if you're just
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like a tourist and you don't have time,
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you're probably going to get a an a an
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aroth alorno if you get a paella and you
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don't order or it's a paella that
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they've been made all day. They make it
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in the huge the huge pan and they serve
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it out until it's gone. Because there's
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many times I've gone to a restaurant and
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they're like, "We've got these three
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items left because you decided to show
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at 3:30 and then you know Yeah. And then
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also if you have one of the other things
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that you can buy here like for cooking
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cuz you mentioned that you obviously
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want to cook it on an open flame. So
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it's kind of like barbecuing. Like of
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course you want to cook on an open
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flame. That is the ideal. Uh you can buy
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the little like a little um uh sort of
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fire circles that that you could buy
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that attached to a butane tank. So you
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can just cook on gas just like you can
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in a barbecue and you can just plug that
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thing in and go. So that is something in
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the open flame which will help you with
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the sukarot but it won't give you that
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smoked flavor that that the but you can
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just start and get going with that. So,
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I mean, even a lot of people might have
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a pile in their house or they might be
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able to go down to the park and use one
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of the public ones, but sometimes maybe
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you don't have the time. So, that's an
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option that is done a lot as well,
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right? And the color is important too,
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which is the saffron, which is is very
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important, but saffron's expensive. So,
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I think people do things like tumeric to
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cheat the color and maybe food color.
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You say tumeric. Tumeric. Tumeric.
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Tumeric. I don't know. Tumeric might be
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how do you say turmeric? Okay, that's
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another Well, this is English episode.
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Well, there's English and then there's
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English. That's true. This is true. I
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speak English. No, I'm just kidding. Um,
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so they do. Yeah, the saffron, the
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yellow color technically comes from
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saffron, but you can use the turmeric,
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but also I've seen here like pa little
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packets of pa flavorings, you know,
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which has everything in it. That's as a
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cook that sounds like cheating for sure.
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But I mean, not everybody knows how to
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cook, you know, everywhere. So, and I
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think I've also seen colorings in the in
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the section in the spice section here.
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So I think people sometimes just throw
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in the color, you know, just to get that
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look because it needs to look that way
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even if you're not using the saffron.
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And like you said, saffron is expensive.
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So that's not going to be for everybody,
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right? And I think I do think that the
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the social aspect of pay is very
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important because it is something that
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will often be the family lunch on
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Sunday. And we've definitely lived in
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places where you literally see people
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taking the pa from the restaurant and
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taking it home because they're not
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cooking it at home or maybe they cooked
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it at their grandma's house and it's
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being walked over to the other person's
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house. I don't know like what's going
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on, but you'll see people walking around
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with paellas just like down the street
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down the street. And even in the city, I
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mean, we've seen which was hysterical to
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us is that we saw a father and his his
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son walking down the street with this
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ginormous pizza box and and we looked
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like that's a huge pizza. We were so
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excited cuz maybe there's a big American
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style pizza place around here. And then
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we looked and we saw the two handles
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sticking out of the box and realized,
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no, that's a paella place cuz around the
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corner is a big uh uh paella restaurant.
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And that's very fancy. That's very
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fancy. I've never seen it covered. I've
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just seen people walking like door to
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door with with the pa and you can order
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pasar which means that you order it from
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the restaurant take it home and then
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when you're done with it you take the pa
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pan back to the restaurant like the next
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day or whatever which I think is
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awesome. So it is kind of like a a
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little bit like a pizza culture. It is.
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It very much is and it is it is their
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lifestyle here and it's it's delicious
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and it's a good lifestyle
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and I Yeah. So I will say I do prefer
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the ones that are cooked in the pa pan
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with all the crispy pot. That's my
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favorite. And thank goodness no snails.
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I'm going to leave our pock there for
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me. Well, on that note then, ciao. Until
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