
We are Tania and Gaetano, two expats who moved our families to Spain for new adventures. We both moved here from the US, Tania (originally from the UK) in 2020, with her husband and daughter from Northern Virginia, and Gaetano in 2023 with his two daughters from Los Angeles. We all met in Valencia and got along incredibly well, but while we cracked each other up discussing our fun times adjusting to Spain, there were quite a few eye-rolls from our girls (tweens and teenagers anyone!). In an effort to give our daughters a little break we thought what the heck, let’s share our experiences with unsuspecting strangers instead. This podcast came to life and we hope you enjoy the pitfalls and joys of our experiences - we all have!
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Hello. Welcome to Aspain Poco Poco. Good
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day Tanya. Buenos Diaz.
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Good day. Are we feeling old English
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today?
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Cheerio chim shari. See?
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Well, today we are going to talk about
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the Palaio Real de Madrid otherwise
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known as and forth with the royal palace
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of Madrid. We will just be using it that
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name I think. Correct.
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Yes, that sounds good. Yeah, let's let's
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we we will we will in we will entreat
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you with a little little chopped up
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butchered Spanish, but we will we will
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try to use the English name.
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We shall carry on.
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Right.
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There we go. And this is if um anyone's
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been to Madrid, I'm sure you've seen it.
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If you haven't, obviously you can find
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pictures online. Um, it's a it's a
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beautifully large, spectacular building
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and it is, you know, considered an
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architectural masterpiece and a symbol
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of Spain's rich history and cultural
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heritage, which funnily enough, I found
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out that this building was kind of
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designed over the sketches of the Louvre
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in in Paris. So, not a total original. I
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mean, it is a total original, but if you
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put those two things together, you can
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completely see how they all are alike.
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You can, except that it doesn't have
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like those Parisian mansered roofs,
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right?
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Right. But that's pretty much it.
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But, you know, these royal families, you
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know, I don't want to knock them, but
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they were all coping each other's
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palaces. Do you know what?
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And you had I don't know how many people
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were building these gigantic things back
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then either. So, I mean, both Anyway,
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both buildings absolutely spectacular.
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So, no reason not to copy a great thing.
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and um it is the official residence of
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the Spanish royal family, although
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mostly used for state ceremonies and and
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things like that. And they have a a
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another palace that they prefer to
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actually consider their home home, which
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is called the Palace of Zuela,
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and that's on the outskirts of Madrid.
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So very close. They could pop in for a
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state ceremony and pop right out again
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and pop right into their private little
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home that no one gets to go and see.
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Exactly. I think that's
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No, wait. I don't know. Maybe maybe they
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do have tours of that one, too. I don't
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know.
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Yeah. Well, and actually, I will say we
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did not do the tour, so we didn't even
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try. What about you?
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Well, I I have an Ospay moment for this.
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So, we we waited in the line to do the
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tour and as we got to the velvet rope
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and like we weren't planning, we
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stumbled upon the palace and we were
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like, "Oh, there it is. There's a queue.
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Let's get in it. We'll do it." And right
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when we got to the front of the queue,
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they closed the velvet rope and they
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said, "We're closed." And we were like,
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"Of course you are. Of course."
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Um, so plan ahead. Little PSA here. If
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you want to, you can buy tickets online,
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do so. And I found this to be the case
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for almost everything. You know, there's
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I mean, there's really,
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I think you can almost plan ahead or,
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you know, take a look at when it's a
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real downtime that you really can go
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without waiting in line,
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right? And, you know, I hadn't thought
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about that. So, I mean, the reality is
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why we're standing in line. I could
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probably even look to see if they had
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tickets for sale right then and there.
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That's true. So, the interesting thing
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about this building was that in 1734
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there was a fire that burnt burnt down
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the original um Alcazar of Madrid that
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was there. So, that was a big, you know,
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palace that that was completely burnt
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down in 1734.
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And in the process of it of the of that
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burning down, a lot of works of art were
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like thrown out of the windows, which I
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is horrifying, but they wouldn't be
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around if they hadn't. So,
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right. But but it's also horrifying
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because, you know, these palaces don't
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have small painting. It's not like
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they're checking some 8 by10s. Like,
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these things are like 10 ft by 20 ft.
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Like, these things are huge. So, how do
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they survived the fallout? I'm I mean, I
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don't know what the old palace looked
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like. was before my time. But I'm
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assuming the windows weren't necessarily
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low to the ground, right?
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Well, also I have to imagine if it's a
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palace, it's it's a fortress in those
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days, right? So the windows would have
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been high up as well.
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High up and probably small, not these
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gorgeous ones they have.
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Well, so they were lucky they could they
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could luck they could get the the
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paintings out of the windows, I guess.
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So anyway, so the construction of this
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palace was from 1738 to 1755. A little
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bit after that,
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right? Right. It's not long.
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Which, you know, when we were talking
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about other buildings and as you tour
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Europe, some of these buildings take
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hundreds of years. So, it's amazing that
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they got it done in such a short amount
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of time, right?
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They really did. Yeah. And there weren't
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a few architects. There were there were
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many,
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right?
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There was a couple. I mean, people are
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old. you know, you you have to be old to
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get the the the commission and then you
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probably die off and they got to replace
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you and then someone's got to make some
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changes to put their their stamp on the
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property. Do you want to list the names
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of some of the
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You going to make me do it? Okay. So, it
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was it's was following a um Bernin
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design by um Filipo Hurvara and Giovani
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Batista Sachetti Sachetti in cooperation
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with Ventura Rodriguez, Franch Franc
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Franchesco Sabatini and Martin Sarmento.
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There we go. You did good.
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I think I did okay.
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Yeah. And so like he's like you just
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said, I mean you're and I've seen a
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pattern of this a little bit where you
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know somebody starts it, the next person
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has to do it. So the fact that they got
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it done between 1738 and 1755 is I think
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incredibly impressive.
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Mhm.
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Cuz it's not a small amount of rooms.
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No, it's not. We'll get to that. But
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during the second Spanish Republic, you
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know, when we they had no king and
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queen, the building was known as the
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Platio Natan.
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That makes sense. Yep. See? So,
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there we go.
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And and right now, since we said about
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the size and scale, there are 3,418
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rooms and over 135,000 square meters.
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That's not square feet, ladies and
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gentlemen. That is square meters. So,
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floor space.
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A square meter is like 910 square feet.
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So, you know, you're
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right.
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Very large. Yes. Making it the largest
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royal palace in Europe by floor area.
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So, I mean, I think that's I I don't
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know what it's like to live in a royal
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palace. Um, but you know, you don't as
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as we go through, you'll see. I mean,
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we're going to take you through some of
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the rooms that you can see on a tour.
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And I have to imagine no matter how
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royal you are, you can't you're not
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using that many rooms. I mean, that is
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for all your servants. It's for state
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events. It's big dining halls. And you
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probably only have a few that you're
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actually living in because you can't
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live in that many rooms. That's not even
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possible.
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Well, I'm sure a lot of those rooms are
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for the ladies and waiting and the, you
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know, whatever the Dukes and Duchesses,
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all those kind of supportive staff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. So, this and they have a
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fantastic art collection obviously. I
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think that could be expected. Um, Goya,
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Velasquez,
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Karavajio, and I'm sure many, many, many
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more. Um, and also included in they have
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gardens and beautiful views from the
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windows and the stratavarious collection
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which I was surprised to read.
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Yes. And it h has it houses the world's
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only complete stratus various string
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quintet which is that's that's not the
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people that play the instruments. That's
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the actual instruments.
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I would kind of want them played. I
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don't know that I would. I mean, I would
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appreciate looking at them and I'm but
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not as somebody that's I'm not very
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musical. I think I would appreciate them
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actually being played. So, I would like
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to see the that quartet a quintet
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actually being played. That would be
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beautiful, but they're probably probably
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not allowed to do that.
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And in it, it's two violins, a viola, a
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cello, and then a non-decorated cello.
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So, I haven't seen these, so I don't
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know what the difference between the
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cello and noncorated is. What I'm
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I have no idea.
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I have no idea. But I mean I know
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stratavarious means they're expensive.
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That's what I know. That's all I know.
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Also know that. Yes. I have never would
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never try and play one. So I'm sure
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that'll be very impressive. There's a
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place called the Mirador de la Cornisa
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which is an observation deck. Gives you
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beautiful views of Madrid. So I I think
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just that is probably other not on top
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of all the the everything you get to see
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inside. I think that would be absolutely
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gorgeous to to see Madrid from that um
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from that view. I think
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it that that is beautiful because that's
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part I didn't see.
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Oh, you did?
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Okay. Well, so you've done it basically.
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You don't need to go back.
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Um well, so we talk about the
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architectural design in the style. Um so
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we have um discussed that there was a
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Bernini. So it combines this uh baroque
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and neocclassical elements which um
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Bernini was kind of know what he sketch
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those were his sketches for the Lou. So
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they kind of used those Um, as we had
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said, it doesn't have the mansered
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roofs, but it does have that kind of
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like
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U-shaped from the front view that is
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similar to that.
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Uh, we did talk about the key architects
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being Filipo Hivera who did the the
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initial Baroque design and then came
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Juan Bautista Sacheti who continued the
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construction after WA's death followed
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by Franchesco Sabatini and he added the
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neocclassical features including the
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southeast wing and the grand staircase.
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Lovely. Yeah. And then we have the
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exterior features which is the iconic
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columns, the Tuscan colasters and also
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it is adorned with statues of saints and
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kings and that that gets into the
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nitty-gritty little the details um that
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are spectacular but if you are looking
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at the outside you can definitely
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see all the details that are added on
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top of all the architectural elements
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that you've already described. And then
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of course inside we have the the of
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course lavish rooms which have frescos
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and these you know painted ceilings and
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painted walls and all this stuff. You
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start to see a pattern with some of the
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the churches that we've talked about in
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our other praos where you're just
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you mean the minimalism of the era.
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Uhhuh.
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Exactly.
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It's overwhelming. Let's say not sure
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I'd want to live in it but it's
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definitely amazing to see. So I mean if
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let's go through some of the rooms.
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So you have the throne room which has
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got these red velvet thrones.
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Of course it does.
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Of course it does. And has the diapo
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fresco and ornate chandeliers. Uh this
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dates back from Charles III from in
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1772. So um and there's also bronze
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sculptures that include the four
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cardinal virtues and four of the seven
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planets. uh Senator German Germanicus
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and four Medici lions flanking the dual
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throne. So again, minimal, you know,
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very
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austerity. I was gonna say that I feel
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like my house is missing a throne room,
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but I think what it's really missing is
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the royal armory.
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I mean, can you imagine having one of
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those in your house?
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I mean that will definitely make when
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you have a suitor coming over for your
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daughter in in years to come make them
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think twice about
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well Jad will be going out right now to
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to build a royal armory in the house.
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So, we have I mean this this room
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particularly I think is the one that is
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really
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designed more like a museum where they
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have like different sort of collections
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of armor and weapons and they date back
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to the 13th century and you can really
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go through and they've got a little
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description and everything about what
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everything is which I think that's a a
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very interesting room and it's got these
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beautiful red walls and wooden ceilings.
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This one isn't as ornate of a room as
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the other ones, but the, you know, the
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the I think it's very interesting all
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the elements that they have in there for
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you to see. So, I definitely worth
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stopping.
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Right. And it does highlight the armor
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and all those things that you're like,
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how do they even fight in that in that
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kind of in those gaps?
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And they've got the very the whole
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thing. They've got the horse armor, the
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human armor, and everything all set up.
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And it's it looks really cool.
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And then we have the royal chapel, which
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is where they have the the strutarious
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quintet that we had talked about. And
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again, this is a very um austere room
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with, you know, arches and gilding and
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and mar and marble columns and and all
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the all the gilding that you could could
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want to.
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Absolutely. And then beautiful, you
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know, custom carpets and and all of
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that. So very Yes. Very ornate. And then
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the royal pharmacy, which we had a a
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little one of these in Alexandria, where
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we lived in Virginia. It was a little
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museum and it was a very very old little
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pharmacy and it was really cute. It was
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not as gilded as this.
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No,
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but I love I do love those things and
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they got all the little drawers and
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they've I mean it's just it's very it's
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very ornate but also I think quite
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fascinating to see kind of how things
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worked back then as well.
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Right. And they've got all those
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apothecary jars, those big you pottery
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things and stuff. I will say that, you
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know, it's what I love about here is you
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go into thearmacies here and you see the
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the all theies I've been to. I have at
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least a few of these kind of, you know,
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I'm sure they're not real, but the
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pseudo vintage, you know, these copies
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of vintage um apothecary jars and they
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got the old names on them. I think
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that's so cool.
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Hint of the past,
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right? And then there is the Gasparini
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room which is I believe this is a this
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is an 18th century floral themed room
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which I think we've decided was a
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private sitting room that they had used.
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So very again very ornate and and
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beautiful and a slight smaller roomish.
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Well I think this was like I think these
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palaces are set up where they have like
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the royal families have their own
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apartments in it. Right. So I think this
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was like the king's royal like their
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private.
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Yeah, absolutely. And then we move out
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to the gardens which you can visit
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without the ticket. So you may have done
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that too, right?
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Right. Well, we we look down upon them.
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We were not in the mood to walk down to
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them. But it is nice that they are not
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part of the the tour that those are just
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public gardens now for the city.
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Yeah, that's a huge bonus. You can just
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go visit those without getting a ticket
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into the palace. So you have the
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Sabatini gardens which is named after
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the Italian architect Franchesco
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Sabatini but it was not designed by him
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and I couldn't for the life of me find
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out who designed these gardens but just
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named after him and obviously he did a
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lot of work for the for the Spanish
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royal family so they you know named a
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garden after him so why not and this is
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a neocclassical style garden
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in the French style landscaping
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and it was open to the public it wasn't
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open to the public the whole time during
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uh Franco's But it was opened when the
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royal family was rein reinstated rein I
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don't know there's a word for that um in
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by by kiwan Carlos the first in 197.
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Yes and it was designed in 1933. So a
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beautiful definitely worth going. And
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then you have the campo demoro gardens
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which are al designed in the 19th
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century under the rule of queen Maria
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Christina.
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These are the British gardens
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which yes the English style. Yes.
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English style
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which which is known for following the
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romanticism of nature right um and they
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do echo the design again copying again
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the echo the design of the gardens of
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Versailles um not as large I've been to
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Versailles and those gardens are like
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you know millions of acres
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absolutely enormous these were declared
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an an artistic historic monument in 1931
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and and also they are called the Campo
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Delmoro Gardens apparently because of a
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historic event that occurred in 1109
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when the Muslim leader Ali Iben Usaf
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attempted to reconquer Madrid following
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the death of King Alfonso V 6th and they
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were camped in this area. So it just
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kind of created the name and it's just
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never never got changed.
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Okay, sounds good.
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Why not?
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Well, I think that wraps up our tour. We
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should probably um give some useful
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information to people who want to visit
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as opposed to the other information that
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wasn't useful at all.
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Well, I mean
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well that useful information is if you
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didn't want to visit, you just want to
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pretend that you saw it in your mind.
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Okay. Useful information. Go ahead.
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So, the opening hours, um, they are
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different during the winter and the
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summers and the weekends, but they it
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does open every day year round at 10:00
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a.m. So, it usually close at like
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probably like, uh, 6 or 8 depending on
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the season.
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Uh, but it is always closed January 1st,
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January 6, May 1st, and December 2.
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That's not much, is it?
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Do you want to tell them how much they
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have to pull out of their wallets to get
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in? Standard admission is €14, but they
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do have some reduced ones for €7 for
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kids and students and seniors. And I'm
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sure these prices will change, but
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that's kind of what it is at this
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particular moment. And you can get a
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guided tour for about €20, maybe between
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13 and 20 depending on where you look.
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And again, book online, I suppose, if
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you can. Um, it probably does, it may
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cost more. You might be doing it through
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a company, so
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but it is possible,
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right? Right. Yeah. I mean, I would say
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I always recommend people to do it
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directly through the museum's websites
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because a lot of these museums do have
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audio guides and they have their own
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guides there now as well.
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But yes, you want to book online and
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it's also free every Monday through
17:28
Thursday from 5:00 to 7:00 if you're an
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EU citizen or have an EU work permit,
17:33
which is
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that's good to know. Yeah. And then they
17:35
have the changing of the guard. So, this
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is kind of fun. I mean, you can do this
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at Buckingham Palace and probably many
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other palaces. They have the regular
17:42
changing of the guard which is on
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weddednesday and Saturdays um weather
17:46
permitting. So keep an eye on that. Um
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and then they have the solemn changing
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of the guard which takes place on the
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first Wednesday of every month at noon
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except for January, August, and
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September because they have state events
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on those months. So that's really
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exciting because that is with like 400
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soldiers, 100 horses and it's like a
18:06
50inutish
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event. So, I'm up for that one and I
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want to go.
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Oh, I think I think you and I should
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plan a first Wednesday of the month and
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go up and see that.
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I think that's it. I think that covers
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